6.8SPC FAQ(last update $Date: 2009/01/10 22:47:32 $)
BackgroundI'm one of the early "regular guy" adopters of this caliber- I've had my 6.8SPC AR15 upper since March 26th 2004. At that time, I also secured two cases of the Remington pre-production ammution, which was intended for function testing only. After shooting some of that and pulling rest down, I have been shooting my own handloaded ammunition.PicturesThe information here is correct to the best of my knowledge; either I know it first-hand ("[1]"), second-hand from someone who is in a position to know ("[2]"), or it has been publically stated and I haven't seen any contradictory information ("[PNC]"). HistoryThe following article is the best history of 6.8 SPC to date:The 6.8 SPC, Is it all that? Shotgun News 60(21):4-16. July 31, 2006 [5.3 MB PDF] 6.8SPC was developed for better terminal effects while still having an acceptable long range trajectory. Anyone wanting more information should read DocGKR's post in this thread: Tactical Forums :: The Terminal Effects Forum :: 6.8x43mm SPC Rifles [PNC]. What is the point of 6.8SPC?The point of 6.8SPC is: significantly better terminal ballistics against humans and animals to 300 yards and still fit and run reliably in the AR15/M16/M4 platform.Is the 6.8SPC case a necked up .223? What is the parent case?The parent case is .30 Remington, shortened to fit the AR15 magazine OAL.[PNC] This is slightly larger in diameter than .223, so a new bolt is required. Magazine capacity is slightly reduced vs. 5.56 in the proper mags.[1]External Ballistics, BasicsWhen factory loads are fully developed, an 18" barrel should shoot the 115gr OTM at about 2750fps; the 16" barrel at about 2650fps; and a 12" barrel at just over 2500fps.The BC of the 115gr Hornady is 0.340.[2] The BC of the 110gr VMAX is 0.362.[1] >> Reference Ballistics, Light & Fast 5.56mm _BC_ _MV_ 0 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 | YARDS 0.324 3100 > -2.55 0.00 -1.85 -9.24 -23.35 -46.26 -79.78 -127.75 -193.01 | > IMI M855 62gr -0.00 1.00 3.00 5.50 8.75 12.75 17.50 23.00 Qt.MOA 3097 2802 2525 2262 2019 1790 1582 1397 1242 | fps, velocity 0.260 3215 > -2.55 0.00 -1.75 -9.20 -23.98 -48.96 -87.15 -144.30 -225.10 | > SA M193 55gr -0.00 0.75 3.00 5.75 9.25 13.75 19.75 26.75 Qt.MOA 3211 2838 2492 2170 1878 1608 1379 1195 1066 | fps, velocity >> Reference Ballistics, Heavy & Slow 223/308 0.395 2670 > -2.54 -0.00 -3.24 -13.54 -32.14 -61.26 -102.56 -159.81 -235.18 | > 223REM Black Hills 75gr 20", chrono'd 0.00 1.50 4.25 7.75 11.75 16.25 21.75 28.00 Qt.MOA 2667 2446 2235 2034 1846 1667 1506 1360 1237 | fps, velocity 0.447 2575 > -2.54 -0.00 -3.56 -14.43 -33.69 -63.38 -104.82 -161.35 -234.58 | > 308WIN FGMM 168gr from AR10 20", chrono'd 0.00 1.75 4.50 8.00 12.00 16.75 22.00 28.00 Qt.MOA 2573 2381 2197 2021 1855 1696 1550 1416 1298 | fps, velocity >> 6.8SPC Ballistics 0.370 2660 > -2.54 -0.00 -3.36 -14.03 -33.39 -63.96 -107.72 -168.94 -250.23 | > 6.8SPC 110gr VMAX 18", chrono'd 0.00 1.50 4.50 8.00 12.25 17.25 23.00 29.75 Qt.MOA 2657 2422 2199 1987 1789 1603 1439 1293 1176 | fps, velocity Does the muzzle velocity really meet Remington's advertised 2800fps?The batch of Remington 115gr SMK "green box" which emerged 8-9/2005 chronos at 2460fps from an 18" barrel. My reloads shoot a 110gr VMAX at 2640fps.How does 6.8SPC's trajectory compare to caliber X?Since the ballistic coefficient (BC) and muzzle velocity (MV) of 6.8SPC is very similar to 75-77gr 5.56mm and 150gr .308, the trajectories will be almost identical. For other comparisons, plug the MV and BC into the ballistic computer of your choice. [2]How can I shoot 6.8SPC out of an AR15?The barrel and bolt are specific to 6.8SPC.[1] Magazine bodies and followers designed to work with 6.8SPC are required. [2]. Springs from a 30-round 5.56 USGI magazine can be used in the 25 round 6.8 mags. Those same springs cut down to about 14 coils work in the 15 round mags. The upper receiver is standard with the possible addition of larger M4 feedramp cuts (can be cut)[1]. A standard complete AR15 lower is used [1].Do AR15/M16 magazines work?No (*see note below) Not USGI 30's, 20's, Thermolds, nor Orlites. Approximately 5-6 will fit and feed properly. Loading more will cause the mag to swell and it won't fit in the mag well.[1] See this thread on Lightfighter.net for more information: Lightfighter Tactical :: Lightfighter Tactical Forum :: Weapon Systems :: 6.8 SPC Experiments.Where can I get loaded ammunitionOctober 2005, Silver State Armory is currently shipping 6.8SPC ammunition using their own high-quality brass.As of July 2005, Remington factory ammunition has hit distributors and has shown up at online vendors and local shops. Precision Crafted Ammunition is also currently shipping 6.8SPC ammunition. Proper 6.8SPC magazines are available from several sources:
* - There is one report that the cheap 20-round Triple-K 7.62x39 magazines work with 6.8SPC.
Magazines springs Springs for USGI 5.56 30-round mags can be used in the 25 round PRI mags. Cut these springs to approximately 14 coils for use in the 15 round PRI mags. Where can I get a complete upper in 6.8SPCMSTN is shipping uppers.[1] Model 1 Sales is advertising 6.8SPC uppers. Barrett Rifles is also advertising 6.8SPC rifles.[PNC]. AMEETEC Arms is advertising 6.8 uppers. DPMS lists 6.8 uppers.What are the muzzle attachment dimensions?To avoid unpleasantness if a 5.56mm muzzle attachment were screwed onto a 6.8SPC barrel, a different thread pattern is used: 5/8"x24tpi. This is the same as the Remington 700.[1] This is the thread pitch specified by the military.It has been reported that some other 6.8 barrels are using a 1/2-32 or -36 thread pitch. I have no other information at this time. What muzzle brakes / flash-hiders are available for 6.8SPC (5/8-24)
What is recoil like?Shooting an 18" 6.8SPC barrel with the OPSINC 4-port muzzle brake has slightly more recoil impulse than a 18" 5.56mm with no brake. It is more noticeable than 5.56 recoil in rapid fire (e.g. double tap, hammer) and full-auto, but much more controllable than 308 weapons with comparable rates of fire. [1]Are reloading dies available? If so, from whom?Hornady will make you a set of custom 6.8SPC dies. $90 for a standard set, or $109 for a match-grade set (with bushing-style resize die). Turnaround time is 6-8 weeks.[1] Call them if you are interested.[2]Redding has their "Series B" dies available for 6.8SPC, from distributors for $40-45. Is new brass for reloading available?MidwayUSA is selling new Remington 6.8SPC brass in 200, 500, and 1000 case lots.What bullets are available for reloading?The bore diameter of 6.8SPC is .277", the same as the popular .270 Winchester. Since the maximum cartridge OAL is pretty short and case capacity is limited, short bullets are preferred. The likely weight range of bullets is 90gr - 120gr. The 110gr Hornady VMAX shoots really well.Barnes has just announced a new 6.8SPC 110gr Triple-X bullet. There are currently no 115gr bullets available commercially. A Hornady and/or Sierra 115gr OTM may be available in the next 4 months.[2] What bullets are appropriate for hunting deer?The 110gr VMAX is too lightly constructed for deer, even at slow velocities. I recommend the following as good choices for deer: 110gr Sierra Pro-Hunter, 100gr Barnes X, 120gr Barnes X, 110gr Barnes Triple-X. There have been some reports that the 115gr OTM performs well, but this was not designed as a hunting bullets.What bullets are best for self-defense?(1) 110gr Hornady VMAX, (2) 115gr Hornady OTMWhat bullets are best for target shooting?(1) 115gr Sierra OTM first, (2) the 110gr Hornady VMAX second.Where can I find reloading dataReload data is currently available from both Hodgdon and IMI:Zak's Reloading InformationI have made available some 6.8SPC reloading information here: Zak's 6.8SPC reload data.I'd like to acknowledge the help of Marty ter Weeme in simulating the internal ballistics of some of these loads, in addition to Derek F. who connected interested parties. What about cartridge over all length (OAL)?The whole point of 6.8SPC is that it feed through existing AR15 lowers and as such, the cartridge over-all length is limited. This in turn limits the bullets which will work to those whose ogive is blunt enough to be held by the case neck and still fit the OAL requirement.The PRI magazines accept rounds loaded out to 2.315". I'm loading at 2.300". Can I load 6.8SPC on my single-stage press?Yes. Get yourself a set of dies from Hornady, and use a .30Remington shell holder (RCBS #9219).Can I load 6.8SPC on my Dillon press?Get a toolhead, populate it with your 6.8SPC dies. The following shellplates work: 40SW, 10mm, 30REM. I am using a 308 casefeed adapter with a piece of duct tape partially over the plastic feed bushing's opening for the shorter 6.8 case. Use the large primer system. |